Shroud of Turin vs Salvator Mundi







Since easter was the day the Shroud of Turin was potentially created I figured it would be a good day to post this.



This is a visual comparison between the face of Jesus from Leo's Salvator Mundi and the Shroud of Turin both normal and inverted. The shroud has 3d optical qualities that have given it a mystique and divinity for hundreds of years that still causes controversy today. It's been carbon dated to be way too young to be from the time of Jesus and various experiments have shown ways the image could have been created with materials of the time. (500 years ago) other explanations from earth gas to electricity to jesus's spiritual impression to simply and carefully painted have been given. Although some can't even agree on what the image is made of. The most likely seems to be from the use of photo sensitive pigments and/ or the use of the camera obscura - a process attributed to Leonardo.


I think the most interesting aspect to the image on the Shroud - besides the 3d properties is how identifiable the image is. What I mean is that if you found, lets say a frozen reindeer there would be nothing to indicate it's special identity but if you found one attached to a sleigh - it would be a different story. The Shroud of Turin is like finding a frozen reindeer with a red nose that was still glowing and no one could agree if the light was a miracle or the result of artificial lights being invented before they were previously thought. 

If this image is man-made rather than divine it is so elaborate and so creative and inventive that it remains some-what unexplained. You would have to imagine that if Leonardo was the culprit behind it's creation that he would have left behind a type of signature, this painting could very well be that clue. There are also other things that when considered in the correct context are like finding a big foot corpse - and people arguing over it's authenticity and ignoring the fact that it has a "made in china" label. It's important to realize that just because there is a controversy over something doesn't mean that there is actually something that can't be explained without turning to magical thinking.

I'll include a instagram convo about this because it's nice to see an open minded dialogue on a controversial subject.




mikiel1981
Alternatively the Salvator Mundi painting may have been inspired by the Shroud...
discoveringdavinci

@mikiel1981 that's also possible! There is a definite link between the two. Leo was also friends with the Turin family and some of his work is still there. Although it's the advanced optical properties of the shroud that allude to his involvement.
mikiel1981

@discoveringdavinci - I tend to believe that the Shroud is authentic but with both the Shroud and with da Vinci, each answer invariably leads to more questions...
discoveringdavinci

@mikiel1981 authentic how? Exactly 2000 years ago Jesus's spiritual impression was some how embedded on a cloth covering him that has 3d photographic properties? It's a science vs miracle thing.
mikiel1981

@discoveringdavinci - yes, pretty much. From my reading of the situation, science in its current state has given us a lot of information about this image, but has not managed to describe the way in which the image was produced. Given that the jury is still out on the matter, and that we should not impose a priori limitations to the future developments of science, it is still possible that the scientific narrative and the religious one may converge at some point. Till we get to that point where we know whether the accounts converge or diverge, we can only wonder. And wonder is hardly a bad thing. 😊
discoveringdavinci

@mikiel1981 it's definitely good to wonder. There are not two things or two explanations. The image was created via something very specific and in a certain way. Because it hasn't been explained in a way that everyone agrees on does not make it some how supernatural or unexplainable.. The image on the shroud has been explained in multiple ways scientifically but there are those who will cast doubt on that because it conflicts with what they desire to be true. Or in other words it has already been proven to be man made and no
discoveringdavinci

@mikiel1981 (oops) not old enough to be authentic but it's those people who will not accept the evidence that cause other people to believe there is still doubt when there is not.. Like those who believe the earth is 6000 years old and will not be swayed by 'evidence' claiming it is the work of the devil or fake - when they are the ones creating the controversy - when there is none. It's like someone saying "that is not true" when it is but by them even saying that it causes the illusion or the possibility of uncertainty.

discoveringdavinci
@mikiel1981 or put more simply - science has already shown the proof but because some people do not, or will not accept it - it's still called a "mystery" but it is not.
mikiel1981

@discoveringdavinci - I understand your point and this is all very interesting - I am aware of the carbon dating studies conducted and I also know that textual records, although not conclusive in and of themselves, tend to support the later origin of the Shroud. However unless there has been some recent research I'm not aware of (which might very well be the case), the carbon dating that placed it in the Medieval/Renaissance era could potentially have been problematic as the fibres analysed may have come from restored pieces of the Shroud. To my best knowledge (and again I stand to be corrected), this has never been conclusively resolved. However, if evidence ever emerges (or has emerged) which places the origin of the Shroud beyond any reasonable doubt to a later period, I would humbly accept the verdict.
discoveringdavinci

@mikiel1981 it's actually very frustrating to research because people can't even agree on what the image on the cloth is made of. Some say tempura paint and some say blood and others that there is nothing there and the image is an imprint. Those are things that there should not be a controversy - they are x or y. That is why it is difficult to trust the info because there are those who have a very deep spiritual investment and are already convinced. It's worth noting that the cloth and the image on the cloth are not necessarily from the same time. The Catholic church also is silent on its authenticity..

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